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Dan OUser is Offline

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12/28/2007 8:59 PM  

 

The fact that you label Obermann as 'progressive' is typical. I don't mean that as an insult, believe me, but it's very indicative of where peoples' heads are at. Olbermann is at best, a mouthpiece for some elements of the Democratic Party (though I'm aware he criticizes them on some issues). Don't get me wrong, he has a few gems. But when he comes out with, say, uninformed and poleimic denunciations of Hugo Chavez - who, in a complete echoing of the other mainstream reporters, he's called a dictator, despite winning 11 out of 12 free and fair votes in 9 years - I have to question his ability to think and the skill and validity of his reporting. He gives the appearance of being 'radical' or 'progressive', but he's far from it. He's certainly not always 'truthful', though this probably stems from ignorance and a knee-jerk ideological bias rather than willful deception (as is the case with most journalists).

Also quite disturbing is the support for Ron Paul, not only on this site, but in internet memes in general. A lot of young people seem to be of the impression that Ron Paul is some kind of leftist 'revolutionary' - you see a lot of this kind of stuff on YouTube, people watching Chomsky videos posting 'RON PAUL 2008'. This is far from the truth. Ron Paul is a closet racist, extremely reactionary, anti-immigrant, nativist far, far, far right politician. Some research on his actual policy and his political past reveals this. Again, part of the reason Ron Paul comes out looking 'progressive' is because of his stance on the Iraq War, which is about the only thing he's good for. Though he's certainly not against in on any kind of moral grounds, he's not against it in principle. The closest candidates to 'progressive' are Kucinich and Gravel.

For a serious democracy to take root in America, corporate power must be distilled. The economy can no longer remain an untouchable domain. It doesn't matter who you vote into office, as long as the same billionaires own the country. This is why Hillary, Obama, and Edwards are so popular - all you have to do is look at their campaign funding and where it comes from. This is an especially important point with regard to the operation of a free media. Can you expect a major corporation to actually report news in a truthful way when it's against its own interests? When it's against the interests of its advertisers? It's not fulfilling its legal obligation to maximize return for the shareholders then, is it? There's a reason why Keith Olbermann is where he is - if he was progressive, then he simply wouldn't be working at MSNBC.

Anyways, GL with this project, hope it turns into something useful ;p. I actually stumbled across this site on my way to www.democracynow.org, which I would advise everyone to check out, if they're interested in some serious independent reporting.

But meh, I'm a Canadian anyways, the hell do I know ;o?

katrina sUser is Offline

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07/12/2008 9:02 AM  
and media is owned by the same mega Corp's who work hand in hand with the politicians who were bought & paid for 1st in USA, then on to Mexico, then on to Canada unfortunately & now onto other countries who readily take the $, take the propaganda & title of being the "powerful political elites" whom no one can touch (the untouchables) and are now displaying the same corruption we have known here in the USA (sorry, Canada & Mexico); here is how it went down in Mexico: Bill Clinton went to Mexico & had secret talks with their Pres: suddenly, flooding the country with corn (basic crop & export of citizens) far cheaper than the folks could grow; the mega Corps are there! from USA of course, & the Article 25 no longer applies nor Mexico's Constitution; forced to leave their land, homes, which were immediately gobbled up by mega Corps (growing ethonal corn don't ya know) which is NOW at an all time high to use with oil for "gas prices"; which is all willful & deceitful lies, which USA is best known for; and the political propaganda brainwashing is being carried out in a united way, being told what to say and to do in staged demonstrations & "staged" televised events which is practiced in advance after being properly "trained" in what to say & how by practiced & very well trained brainwashing pro's who train WHAT to say, & to do, & how to appeal to intellect, emotion, etc; and overcome "objections" just like selling items at the phone company which is where I used to work so I do have a great of knowledge on the subject; every avenue is used by our "Gov who is supposedly so broke it cannot pay a cent of disability to Vets from Iraq after 5 years of being disabled in the war; not even to provide them with artificial limbs etc; & Congress has ordered (this is their agenda) folks: not to let 1 cent go to vets, & to block all avenues that they can in every way they can (but publically proclaim we want the best for our vets); & "show" vets (a very few) with "new limbs"; the REALITY is far from what is seen & shown on TV; lots of $ at both Fed & St levels giving illegals brand new apartment complexs, money, no interest loans like $3,000 for dental work, pay back as can; while telling Americans "no way to have affordable insurance"; LIES, DECEIT, DECEPTION at all levels & every level of the Gov; is what is going on; knowing well how to "manuever" money on paper to make it APPEAR one thing while being another, the biggest set of crooks & diabolically evil folks in history are running this country, soon to be world wild dominion with totaltarianism with Corp & Gov's working hand in hand in every land & all AGAINST the people; claiming "freedom" when in reality votes are fixed, machines programmed to register vote a way whether or not that is the way you voted claiming voters were confused; no they weren't; verifiable proof repeatedly that the machines are rigged; & hand voting even if NOT proclaimed the winner, the person claims the victory; such as Hillary Clinton, Gov Kulengouski of Oregon, Peloshi, & multiple more; blockage of news media from state to state, & even overseas many times; alas & alack, we never know the truth unless have independent sites to go to!
dave rUser is Offline

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10/20/2008 6:57 PM  
I don't see how we can get away from the control the globalists have on us. It seems to me that they will continue to bankrupt this country, then when there isn't a middle class to worry about any longer, maybe we'll all be willing to listen to a Huey P. Long type "redistribution of wealth." Until then, no one seems to care until it's their job, or home that is affected. As long as termoil happens in some other town or state, no one, including myself is willng to stand up and rebel against the system.

These people meet in private and in public "think tanks" and decide our fate, simply because they think they know what's best for us. What if they decide to get rid of a good majority or us, or put people who write messages, like this one in FEMA camps? We better get serious about organizing ourselves and get past the left/right paradigm.

for good or ill,
Dave Ricketts
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